(Photo: During the session of the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Geneva, Mr. Zenon Dolnyckyj, spokesman for “Fawanghuihui.org” submitted two 4000-page reports, concerning China’s persecution of Falun Gong, to a U. N. human right organisation on March 20.)
Reporter: Can you tell us if this organisation has been founded recently?
Dong: The “fawanghuihui.org” website was established at the end of 2000. We have always worked in low profile and only kept contact with some human rights organisations and government agencies. As a result, we have seldom been reported by the mass media.
Reporter: Oh, it’s been more than two years now. No wonder you have collected such a large amount of names. What is your objective for establishing this website?
Dong: Our objective is to help the Falun Gong practitioners who are being persecuted, since Jiang Zemin has unreasonably suppressed Falun Gong irrespective of the law. Through tracking and investigation, we have identified persons responsible for persecuting Falun Gong practitioners, and we will uphold justice for Falun Gong practitioners by prosecuting these perpetrators.
In the wake of the frenzied Great Cultural Revolution, most of those who survived the Revolution still have a lingering fear of that rampage. Many of those who acted as the perpetrators in the Great Cultural Revolution have met with the punishment they deserve, but many of them haven’t. Those who persecute without conscience might have the mentality that they have good luck and they might wrongly believe that they don’t have to be responsible for their deeds. They might also think that they can do whatever they like to bully the weak, the kind-hearted and those who are regarded as easy targets. Their despicable acts are intolerable for people with a conscience and a sense of justice.
With our compassion for Falun Gong practitioners and our insistence on justice, we volunteered to establish the database and the website in our spare time. We hope that when those evil people find their names and crimes publicised on the “fawanghuihui.org” website, they are able to review their own deeds, so as to stop committing evil acts and even help those who had been persecuted to make up for their mistakes. We would be very glad to remove their names from the “Evil people Bulletin” if they review their conscience. It is our primary mission to help those who are innocent, to awaken the evil persons and save the evil people by stopping them from committing wrongdoings again. If those who are on the “Evil people Bulletin” do something good to atone for their mistakes, please contact us. If our independent investigation proves that what they say is true, their names can be removed from the “Evil people Bulletin”.
For those who show no sign of repentance and continue to persecute Falun Gong, all that we have collected will clearly tell people the truth, and they will be unable to go anywhere in the future. Furthermore, we are also seeking legal approaches to have them punished for what they have done. This is another objective of ours.
Reporter: Can you introduce your website to us? It is said that you have submitted to a U.N. human right organisation a report containing more than 4,000 pages of information. What is the content in these 4,000 pages?
Dong: The 4,000-page report, submitted to the United Nations, is mainly a list of the responsible persons who persecuted Falun Gong practitioners, and a list of their victims. Among them, about 11,000 are persons responsible for persecuting Falun Gong practitioners; 20,000 are victims, and the number of government agencies involved in the case amounts to around 8,000.
“fawanghuihui.org” is basically a database, and its most important part is the records of criminals who are being used to persecute Falun Gong. In addition, there are also suspects’ names, the agencies they work with and the victims’ relatives. The system will collect as much information as possible, including suspects’ addresses, phone numbers, etc. By doing so, we are able to easily come up with various lists according to our needs, such as a list of evil persons in different places and provinces, the report about "evil persons and evil deeds" in places such as labour camps, and a complete collection of the evil persons’ addresses, etc.
For those who persecuted Falun Gong practitioners to death, we will try our best to discover their names, gender, age, position and other related information, so that they can be stored in our database and made known to the public.
With the improvement of the “fawanghuihui.org” website, a huge amount of information is added to the database daily. More than one hundred people are added to the “Evil people bulletin” each week, and more and more people have visited the website as well. Many people are surprised to find that this system is so wonderful that it is easy for them to record the means used to persecute Falun Gong. By taking a look at our reports you may feel horrified, and you may be surprised to realise how many people have been involved in the persecution of Falun Gong.
Reporter: What are the sources of the information? Are they reliable?
Dong: Most of them are from mass media, and some of them are collected through “fawanghuihui.org’s reporters system. Domestic insiders may also provide us with the information through the website’s system or emails.
All information collected is verified through at least one other channel. As for information that we cannot verify, it is stored temporarily, and publicised only after it is verified. In terms of incomplete information, the information is stored on the system and as more information becomes available, the information will be updated.
Reporter: I would like to ask you a question. You are in America, while most of the persecutors are in Mainland China. How can they know you? How can your website have an influence on them? Will your efforts bring any effect?
Dong: Our efforts will certainly have an effect. Let me give you an example. Someone who was listed on our “Evil People Bulletin” contacted us saying, “I will no longer persecute Falun Gong. Could you remove my name from the bulletin?” Some thought that their evildoing would be secret and go unnoticed. But as soon as he knew that somebody was tracking down his evildoing, he became uneasy. Who doesn’t have relatives or friends? If his evildoing was exposed through any possible channel to his relatives, friends, his childrens classmates or his wife’s friends, how would he be judged? He would be considered inhumane and brutal. Though no one would dare to say anything to him, they would just avoid contact with him.
As for what kind of influence our efforts will have on them, it depends much on media reports. We have released the “Evil People Bulletin” on our website and all overseas Chinese can help by broadcasting the news and telling their friends and relatives, who would in turn spread the news all over China.
We are also sending the “Evil People Bulletin” to China through all possible channels and at the same time encouraging people to report persecutors to us. We have found that many of the officials who persecute Falun Gong are also morally corrupted and involved in corruption and bribery. Through some channels, we have received information of their evildoing. And we also welcome those in China or outside China to report to us their crimes such as corruption, bribery etc. In this way, we can conduct investigations into their crimes.
We have also submitted the reports to worldwide governments as well as their related departments, human rights organisations, the International Criminal Police Organisation, and other NGOs. I have just mentioned that we submitted two reports to the UN and also to the USA Senate. In the future, these reports can be used as papers to file a lawsuit, as the basis to investigate the persecution of Falun Gong, as systematic information for the reference of human rights organisations and NGOs, and even as materials for the Chinese population to understand the facts of the persecution.
One thing is worthy of our attention. Foreigners who have tortured and abused people overseas should not be allowed into the United States according to a bipartisan bill introduced on March 26th in the Senate. The bill would also make foreign officials who have severely violated religious freedom inadmissible and deportable.
Many people involved in the persecution of Falun Gong feel that they will never be held responsible. In their opinion, even if Falun Gong’s miscarriage of justice could be reversed in the future, they still could go overseas with their stolen money. Therefore, many Chinese officials are trying to organise their future by buying real estate in other countries and sending their children overseas. We are also investigating their real estate overseas. In the USA there are also secret agents associated with the persecution of Falun Gong. We welcome people to report them to us.
I believe that in a Western civilized society the evil persecutors listed on our bulletin can be differentiated. A democratic society would not tolerate criminals involved in brutal torture, similar to the way people find it hard to accept the Nazis.
Reporter: You talked about reversing Falun Gong’s miscarriage of justice. Do you think this will be in the distant future? At that time, will your website still exist?
Dong: I believe that the miscarriage of injustice will certainly be reversed. Now it seems hard to go on with the persecution. Lawsuits are being filed overseas against Jiang Zemin as well as Chinese officials who are involved. Our web site will continue to exist until one day when there is no need for its existence. Until then, the evil persecutors listed on our bulletin will not know how to justify their evildoing. Now they should [...] compensate for their wrongdoing, and live the rest of their life honestly, so that they will not regret it in the future. We are welcoming them to turn over a new leaf in their lives.
Reporter: How many people are working for the website? Are all of them Falun Gong practitioners?
Dong: Please excuse me. I cannot tell you how many people are working for the web site. We are not doing this for fame or personal interest, but just out of our conscience. However, whether one practises Falun Gong is not a requirement for joining in the organisation. What counts is their enthusiasm for doing what is righteous and for helping the persecuted. We have received support from many dignitaries and advocates of many organisations. For example, there are some enthusiastic persons who are willing to offer money as a reward for those who report the evil persecutors to us and we are still considering this. In the future, we will be proud of our efforts to help innocent people. We will tell future generations that if no one stands up against evildoing in the human world, if no one speaks out for persecuted kind people, everyone in society will feel threatened and the morality of our society will decline. Then, what might happen to that kind of society? What we are doing is making our world a better place.
Reporter: In the past two years, have you ever had any thoughts about your work? Has there been any obstacle? People are afraid of communism. Does your family know what you are doing? What are their attitudes toward your work?
Dong: My family knows what I am doing. At first they could not understand, but gradually their understanding improved. After all America is a free society and people have many choices. You can choose to make lots of money, enjoy life, to do whatever you think is meaningful. I make my own choice. My family also understand that what I am doing is the most righteous.
You can download the names of the persecutors as well as related reports from the following web site:
http://www.fawanghuihui.org/reports.asp
Chinese version available at http://www.yuanming.net/articles/200304/18883.html
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